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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
Replied on August 4, 2018 12:00 am
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I was prompted to create this discussion by a topic in another OMM group in relation to how to print a pdf of a discussion. I do that quite a bit, and now that I think about it, this is partly to do with LI Group limitations.

Why do I print a topic? So that I can:
a) see the whole topic to produce a summary which helps engagement in the topic
b) search for comments that have previously been made that are relevant to a new / recent comment
c) see who has been contributing and who may have lapsed
d) read offline, reflect and then compose my thoughts for further contribution

The inclusion of (more …) has made this more tedious, as I have to open up comments, click load previous comments, etc to create a full view before I can print. I understand the "collapsing" makes it easier in other respects. This suggests the need for collapse / expand functionality.

The printing is also a workaround for the absence of searching on comment content - a major gap in LI group functionality.
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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
Replied on August 3, 2018 8:00 pm
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Best way to print a PDF of a discussion is to use a browser extension that does that, or install a program that allows you to print to PDF like Foxit Reader.
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Posted by Bill Giovino (Discussions: 1, Comments: 1)
Replied on August 4, 2018 8:00 pm
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I made a chrome browser extension for myself that expands the discussion with the push of a button. I will work on expanding that where you can go to any discussion and it expand it all and save it as a pdf. Once I get it done I will put it in the chrome extension marketplace and post the link back to this group. I am sure many folks need a way to capture key discussions easily. Bill Giovino, if you can point us to a link for such an extension that already exists, that will save me some trouble and help everyone.
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Posted by John Jones (Discussions: 368, Comments: 3041)
Replied on August 4, 2018 8:00 pm
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Interesting … thanks - I was not aware of being able to do this - and am happy to use something that others have developed - not a particular skill that I want to develop or devote my time to!!
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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
Replied on August 4, 2018 8:00 pm
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I would appreciate the extension for expanding discussions without waiting for the pdf enhancement!
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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
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All that said … my greater interest is in having LI provide functionality enabling search on discussions - but I guess an expansion button plus brower Find function effectively does that without the need for LI to provide the functionality - perhaps simply providing the expand button is the key here??
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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
Replied on August 4, 2018 8:00 pm
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John, Foxit makes a PDF reader that is leaps and bounds better than Adobe Reader:
https://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf-reader/
It allows you to Print to PDF to create a PDF document of your webpage.

I don't need an extension, but if you search extensions I'm sure you can find one.
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Posted by Bill Giovino (Discussions: 1, Comments: 1)
Replied on August 4, 2018 8:00 pm
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On another platform, it is possible for any member to link to another group, discussion or comment by use of a macro which incorporates the appropriate URL. LI have been heading this way, in that it is obvious that to link to a group, there is a group number (eg 8435212 for this group) and a discussion number (eg 6431631996291776514 for this discussion) but not means of linking to this or previous comments.

There are numerous actions that are valuable to members and OMMs if the latter is provided, including:
a) referencing the comment to which you are responding (as it can be confusing as to what your comment applies)
b) including a link to a comment in another discussion to draw attention to an interesting part of a related discussion
c) developing a summary of a discussion with links back to specific comments


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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
Replied on August 5, 2018 8:00 pm
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The latter is a valuable OMM practice for building deeper conversations, helping:
a) members gain an appreciation of elements of the discussion that may otherwise get lost in longer discussions
b) new members find gems in the discussion and engage more readily
c) show the conversation in a manner where deeper conversation may emerge in relation to existing discussion, or new conversation may develop as people see gaps in what has been covered.

Other benefits include the ability to break out a new discussion with references to discussion in an existing topic as background.
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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
Replied on August 5, 2018 8:00 pm
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The Chrome plugin Fireshot does this. Saves the entire page (and scrolls for you) in image or PDF format.
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Posted by Christopher Paris (Discussions: 1, Comments: 1)
Replied on August 6, 2018 8:00 pm
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Ah - thanks. I will give it a try.
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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
Replied on August 6, 2018 8:00 pm
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Installed and trialled - is there a particular option that effectively expands the "Show more" components (as it is clearly part of the "full page" that has been downloaded) / includes this text in the chosen output form?
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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
Replied on August 8, 2018 8:00 pm
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How do you define "deeper conversations"? The number of comments?
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Posted by Bill Giovino (Discussions: 1, Comments: 1)
Replied on August 10, 2018 8:00 pm
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Members recognise deeper conversation when they are part of it. Two discussions could have the same number of comments, but one could be shallow, circular, failing to generate new perspectives and insights for members. Whereas the other may be "breaking new ground" in understanding the topic for some or all members.

One of the challenges in a group is the differing levels of knowledge, understanding, experience and awareness. Different conversations will offer differing mixes of value across the participants who are engaged - whether following or actively contributing.

This is one of the reasons that the concept and practice of being community is important to richer and deeper conversations on the LI Groups platform.
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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
Replied on August 10, 2018 8:00 pm
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This is also why people are better judges of the value of groups than algorithms are or can be.
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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
Replied on August 10, 2018 8:00 pm
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Bill Giovino, from The Wisdom of Chung King (circa 650 AD), "Do not mistake obscurity for depth of thought, nor shallowness for clarity..."
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Posted by PHIL FRIEDMAN (Discussions: 1, Comments: 18)
Replied on August 11, 2018 8:00 pm
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Deeper conversations will be active conversations, so that requires functionality that enables members to actively follow and engage in such conversations.

Deeper conversations should be easily found, so that requires effective search functionality - as they may get lost in the flow of less engaging topics - and may even be reactivated by the interest of a newer member finding valuable content in such conversations.

Phil's point underlines the challenge - even for people - where it is possible to mistake extensive discussion for being deep discussion, when, in fact, it is possibly high volume activity around a troll or someone who thinks they understand the discussion but is taking the discussion sideways or slowing down rich exploration by others. Either way, I expect it would be a challenge for an algorithmic approach to identification of such discussions - just look at what happens with "top" posts vs "recent posts"!
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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
Replied on August 11, 2018 8:00 pm
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There are other ways in which "deeper conversations" might be identified - somewhat akin to the "citation" method that applies to research publications. The volume of likes, shares, copies of links to comments in a discussion are potential indicators that participants have found elements of the discussion valuable. Drawing on these indicators, LinkedIn might develop indicators and notification services which draw the attention of other LI members to appropriate "deeper discussions".
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Posted by Peter Murchland (Discussions: 14, Comments: 111)
Replied on August 13, 2018 8:00 pm
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