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Posted by Michael McGoey (Discussions: 1, Comments: 4)
Replied on July 2, 2018 12:00 am
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Hello,

Delta 9, out of Winnepeg grows in converted sea cans.

Companies such as Micro Lab Farms, sell plug and play containers. https://microlabfarms.com/contact/

The big debate is over quality/environmental control versus cost of production.

The more enclosed, engineered and controlled the environment, the higher will be the quality and potency of the cannabis and pests, powdery mildew etc, will be more more controllable. However, this control comes at a higher capital and operating cost.

The other school of thought is to use a greenhouse environment, with supplemental lighting. Less control over the environment, arguably lower quality and/or potency, but much lower capital and operating costs.

I think that cannabis will commodify faster than some are predicting and that a company's cost of production will become vital to their survival.

The market for super premium, dried flower may only be 10% of the total market. That could be a profitable niche. Some operators will opt for a lower quality product, produced cheaply and extracted and upgraded. Having pristine product is not as vital, if the product is being extracted.

Availability and price of black market cannabis will influence decisions
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Posted by Michael Murphy (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
Replied on July 1, 2018 8:00 pm
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Very helpful and thanks. We are looking to hit the high quality end, so indoor grow quality is more important than cost of production, within reason. Any ballpark idea of what a high end container might cost?
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Posted by Michael McGoey (Discussions: 1, Comments: 4)
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I sent you an invite, Michael.
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Posted by Adam Glasser (Discussions: 0, Comments: 2)
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Agripharm grows in pods - think they are shipping containers but not sure
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Posted by Alan Brochstein, CFA (Discussions: 2, Comments: 1)
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Renee Gagnon did a great virtual tour of hers. Saw an earlier article about her - she’s prob a good resource.
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Posted by Toby Petit (Discussions: 0, Comments: 8)
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I’d say if your don’t have expertise or time to build - then this is an option - but would u prefer a pre-fab pool or shower vs custom? Custom always better I think
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Posted by Toby Petit (Discussions: 0, Comments: 8)
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Design and build your own for a fraction of the cost plus much better deployment of technology
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Posted by Damian Solomon (Discussions: 0, Comments: 11)
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For instance, a 40 ft container with automated climate controls and drip irrigation, complete with Fluence LED lights can be self built for $30-$35,000 per container vs buying a preface one for $100k plus. Seems logical to me. It takes a few weeks to build it out.
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Posted by Damian Solomon (Discussions: 0, Comments: 11)
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Posted by Kerri Accardi (Discussions: 0, Comments: 4)
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:) metrics soon. That’s why I like
Science. It’s a proof thing.
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Posted by Renee M Gagnon (Discussions: 0, Comments: 10)
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me too, I don't know how many moles per day it takes to grow a quad, but I know someone does, and perhaps how to achieve that number without needing a nuclear generating facility to power it
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Posted by Michael McGoey (Discussions: 1, Comments: 4)
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I know nothing about it, but unless you are planning to be a very micro grower, the shipping container-type production strategy seems inefficient.
In my experience, adding 4 new walls every time you scale, adds way more new costs - understand your scaling plan and build an Ops plan to match.
1. Build your topline generation plan
2. Build your Ops plan to deliver on 1.
3. Identify the Non Value Added Costs in 2., and remove them, to drive 1. and/or improve margins.
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Posted by Rob McPherson (Discussions: 1, Comments: 12)
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Yes I have built plenty of them over the years and have giving a seminar on them. I am not here to sell you one so I can give you my honest opinion. I can also share all of the different scenarios we have faced. I have deployed a couple in Canada as well.

By the way Renee's product looks very promising.
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Posted by Mica Renquist (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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Hi Michael,
Business critical issue: compliance with Health Canada.
Having modularity, custom-made options, reduced costs and energy efficiency is ideal, but compliance is mandatory. You must ensure your modules are able to collect, process and store all the necessary data so your QA/QC protocols are bullet proof....
which lead you to Renee M Gagnon
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Posted by David Galvez, Ph.D. (Discussions: 1, Comments: 3)
Replied on July 3, 2018 8:00 pm
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Unless everyone is related to Renee, it seems I need to reach out to her
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Posted by Michael McGoey (Discussions: 1, Comments: 4)
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Not sure it’s most efficient and I would listen to Damian Solomon but if want solution here are two:
1) Look at what Delta Nine has done in Canada as they began by using shipping containers as separate grow rooms, even stacking them in facilities.
2) a company called Iaso (Iasocorp.com) has developed a tool called Growblox which is an 8ft square growing system using aeroponics they claim allows amateurs to grow with ease and get up and running as soon as device arrives. They lease it for $1,000 or so per month and each unit produces (averaging for different genetics and strains etc) more than 50lbs of premium cannabis per year....could be interesting for a small amateur grow looking to start a small business and capture early grow economics in undersupplied markets.

Hope this helps.
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Posted by John Kaden (Discussions: 0, Comments: 4)
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Check out Delta9 Cannabis ... there complete production methods are pod based.
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Posted by Orest D. Serwylo (Discussions: 0, Comments: 3)
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Bad decision.
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Posted by Rick Rosio (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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ceci n’est pas une bonne façon de contrôler l’environnement dans chaque container ?
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Posted by Daniel Lessard (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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Thanks for the love John Kaden. You and Sean at Navy Capital are kind to me. Thanks for that, I appreciate it.
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Posted by Damian Solomon (Discussions: 0, Comments: 11)
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My recommendation is find a building, old warehouse etc, and utilize technology of modular wall systems. You can move the interior walls to suit needs. They are secure and actually exceed security standards. You are able to utilize 100% of your footprint and adjust according to need as you grow and determine future needs. The electrical and other mechanical infrastructure is also modular and easily adaptable. We use this method with great success.
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Posted by Michael Baker (Discussions: 0, Comments: 4)
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Thanks to all for your help. I am continuing my exploration. Modular wall system sounds like an alternative too
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Posted by Michael McGoey (Discussions: 1, Comments: 4)
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GrowBlox is leased via Iaso and can contact them via website or I can introduce. Think they lease for $1,000 or so per month and are allegedly plug and play.
Obviously at any real scale, you are better off doing this in a purpose built or retrofitted facility yourself (modular or otherwise), but if your goal is for limited scale without a lot of growing expertise, can certainly price out GrowBlox technology just remember to add the costs for any genetics and other raw materials you will need as well as electricity costs.
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Posted by John Kaden (Discussions: 0, Comments: 4)
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TerraCube for consumer use. RMHbuildingco.com for custom industrial solutions...
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Posted by Willie Gabriel (Discussions: 0, Comments: 5)
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You might want to have a talk and a tour of GB Sciences in Las Vegas. All clean room indoor grow and includes custom made pods. Www.gbsciences.com. Worth a look.
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Posted by Tom Arcuragi (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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Many clients of ours are creating modular systems for vertical growing.
How big is your facility?
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Posted by Steve Taylor (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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Check out Delta9 Cannabis … they are in the process of building out 600 pods!
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Posted by Orest D. Serwylo (Discussions: 0, Comments: 3)
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Talk to Rene Gagnon ‭+1 (250) 580-1622‬. She has developed the most tech savvy modular units I've ever seen. And she's brilliant!
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Posted by Margot Micallef (Discussions: 0, Comments: 2)
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If you're looking for a property suitable for Cannabis, send me an e-mail to alroy.brouwer@gmail.com I specialize in agricultural related property, cannabis is a particular subspecialty of mine.
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Posted by Alroy Brouwer (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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Sounds like you need to focus on a professional experienced grower, and not the system.
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Posted by Avi Drori (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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At Stigma Pharmaceuticals we developed a grow pod that is fully automated, produces great yeilds and of craft quality. I would be happy to talk with you and explain how we did it etc.
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Posted by Travis McIntyre (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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My last job was to manage 5 PODS designed by Grow Pod. They were not "plug and play" as marketed. We found climate control (they used honey-well systems) to be very unstable and always in flux. The tables the provided us with continuously broke, and irrigation lines were not pressured correctly. We had to modulate and install a lot of our own equipment to get them to run well.

Tight spaces are also hard to work in and can be inefficient in terms of harvesting, working, and moving plants. Climate in a tight space can also be more of a challenge.

I like ample moving space and plenty of head room between lights / canopy and air handlers / other equipment as well.

Just my thoughts! Hope this helps.

Mike
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Posted by Michael DiTomasso (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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A company makes a cube that does it all. Even cleans itself after ever grow cycle i think Cara cube or something like that? Spelling is not correct. I have use shipping containers. Vertical growing is some of best way in my opinion
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Posted by Blair Stutzman (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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This is a particularly innovative company that has addressed all of the concerns that Michael raises above: https://www.stemcultivation.com
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Posted by Ernest Anemone, Esq. (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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most things are modular to a degree lets face it, from grow tents to containers. Not for me personally tho, one issue can mess with the whole project. i like open space where possible
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Posted by Paz L. (Discussions: 0, Comments: 4)
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Hi Michael, we are designing a Seed-to-Sale tracking platform for modular production strategies and more at http://cloud42.ca It will be the whole package for tracking and operations management near $500 / month. We are bringing to market the most cost effective option. We use IoT to connect the modules of your choosing.
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Posted by Neil Jubinville (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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Yes. I built one if the first systems out there based in a project I worked on at NASA in 2009. I have not mass-produced it, but I can tell you that it is more efficient than any other solution that has been on the market in the last 3 years. it is efficient in its electricity, environmental control, lighting, Water Reclamation, and the fact that it has been operating for over 3 years in an uninsulated Barn in the middle of a hay field in Maine where the temperatures have gone from 100 degrees Fahrenheit down to 35 below zero. We even had a 6 hour power outage during a cold snap when it was 30 below and we didn't lose a plant.
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Posted by Mark Mac Auley (Discussions: 1, Comments: 1)
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If you are referring to a CONEX or ISO Shipping Container type modular grow house, this depends on who built it and how it is constructed. For good environmental control, the CONEX must be well insulated. Lighting geometry is also critical in these systems. They have a lot of advantages...you could take it anywhere!
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Posted by Joseph Smith (Discussions: 0, Comments: 8)
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We at Modus Structures design and build modular buildings for the Cannabis and Micro-Green industry. Our buildings are a little different than the others because we are the complete envelope. You do not need to build a building in a building and our system will support lights, and other mechanical electrical systems as required. We also span 24’ with our roof system to allow for a better layout for tables and less intrusions in your room with no columns in the way. We work with the LP to design the facility to their needs. Our SIP (Structural Insulated Panels) are built with no organic materials reducing risk of Mold and Mildew. They are also 97% efficient for use in the extreme climates like the dessert or far north. We control the environment so you can focus on your plants. www.modus.ca/ProMods
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Posted by Hadi Feltham (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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Our company, Agdaptive, offers cost effective, highly sustainable controlled environment production modules purpose built for the cannabis industry. Through our proprietary technologies, we are using around 50% less energy than traditional methods to produce craft quality cannabis in a smaller footprint. Our solutions are scalable and operational from the day they are delivered. Connect with me if you would like to learn more. Thanks
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https://www.aessensegrows.com. Ask for Porter Norton mention my name
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Posted by Walter Havekorst (Discussions: 0, Comments: 1)
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