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Category:Campaigns and movements in Wales

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Newly created category that doesn't fit into any existing category trees. Though it is unclear to me at what point a campaign becomes a movement (or visa versa) I would argue it's better to categorise these articles in the existing category frameworks at the moment. Sionk (talk) 10:01, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The former is already categoried under "Political movements" without any concerns. As for the latter two, we don't categorise sections of articles. "Cultural movements in Wales" would be a big no-no because it falls into the same trap as the current category under discussion, not fitting into any exisiting category trees (and being so vague as to be difficult to define). Sionk (talk) 22:46, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support proposed split. Sorry I have not said anything earlier but I have been on the fence on this one. Taxonomies are hard, and I am no expert in these discussions, but it seems to me that the rationale for putting all political campaigns in proposed existing categories makes sense. We don't categorise article sections and it is not clear what benefit the reader gets from having a category that would have a campaign for the WRU to change their logo in the midst of all the political campaigns anyway (although as soon as it becomes a nationalist campaign, it clearly is political and thus can go in the political categories anyway). Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Moorish people

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, Moors is an outdated and ambiguous term. Most of the articles are already in more specific subcategories, e.g. for Al-Andalus, Morocco and Ifriqiya. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:22, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose deletion until all articles are distributed to appropriate "national" subcategories. Moors refers to people from the Muslim West, as opposed to those of the Middle East, or Persia or India. Until these are all containerised, this nom destroys detail. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:44, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The nom already says the large majority of articles has been distributed to appropriate "national" subcategories so this reason to oppose does not quite make sense. By the way, Muslim West or anything like that never existed. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. 'Moors' is outdated, vague, and a catch-all exonym used by Europeans to describe North African Muslims, without any further distinction. An Andalusi Arab 'Moor' is a completely different thing to a berber 'Moor' from what is now Algeria. It would be like grouping all Catholic or Protestant Europeans as 'Franks'. Constantine ✍ 11:14, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not to mention that 'Moors' in older works can also be pre-Islamic Berbers (e.g. the 'Moorish Wars' of Justinian's time). Not a useful term for an encyclopedia. Constantine ✍ 11:15, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Municipality categories in Ukraine

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: downmerge, we normally do not have a municipality category when there is already a town category. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:28, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Exactly, there aren't any, so the analogy does not make sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pretenders to the Lithuanian throne

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The result of the discussion was: redirect to Category:Dukes of Urach. – Fayenatic London 20:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There is no such thing as "pretender" to the Lithuanian throne. A pretender is someone who claims to be the rightful ruler of a country although not recognized as such by the current government. None of these people ever claimed to be rulers of Lithuania. The whole episode stems from the attempt to establish Kingdom of Lithuania (1918). A king was selected, but never crowned or assumed the position. After a few months everyone very amicably split up with no further claims being made by Wilhelm Karl, Duke of Urach or his successors. Only media once in a while rediscovers the story and stokes fantasies. Renata•3 19:25, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Putting aside dukes of Urach, shouldn't figures such as Alexis of Russia be included in the category? He claimed to be a Grand Duke of Lithuania Marcelus (talk) 12:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Marcelus: That actually would be far more historically accurate. Unfortunately, I don't know much about other such claims from the period of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Renata•3 01:04, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Looking at other categories about pretenders, it seems they contain mostly representatives of deposed dynasties, like Carlist leaders in Spain; or persons who had some support within a country but failed to achieve the actual rule. And Alexis was just claimant, but Maximilian III, Archduke of Austria would be perfect for example. Nonetheless I think that category should stand, but without Urachs, he as you said never were pretends, with exception of Wilhelm Marcelus (talk) 12:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, if this is the case the five articles should be edited to downplay the pretendership. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Attempted to downplay in the articles, but got reverted. Discussing the issue on my talk page with the user. Renata•3 01:04, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Convert to cat-redirect -- Essentially this is identical to Category:Dukes of Urach. This does not refer to claimants to the ancient Jagellian crown, but to a throne that might have been created in 1918 following the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. The Duke of Urach was elected king by the Lithuanian council, but he never took office due to opposition of the German Kaiser. The appropriate course is to add a short note as to this to the headnote of "Dukes of Urach" to the effect that Dukes since 1918 are claimants (pretenders) to a potential Lithuanian throne. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:53, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Recorded music characters

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename and purge subcats. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:43, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: First, the current name is unclear and invented for and used only for Wikipedia. I don't think anyone can figure out what this category is for without checking the definition ("Fictional characters invented for recorded music."). Since conceptually we have category for fictional characters by medium they debuted in (comic book characters, etc.), I guess the existence of this category is ok, but we need to use a proper descriptive name here instead of this Wikipedia-unique term. Which would be Category:Fictional characters invented for recorded music. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:11, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the current name is unclear but I don't think the proposed alternative is better. Not only is it a bit clunky, it also poses problems with the subcategories Category:Songs about fictional characters‎ and Category:Musicians with fictional stage personas. Perhaps Category:Fictional characters and music? Pichpich (talk) 18:39, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Non-sovereign countries with multiple official languages

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 5#Category:Non-sovereign countries with multiple official languages

Category:LGBT poets

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 5#Category:LGBT poets

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