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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Theleekycauldron (talk) 06:31, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 1974, Megan Cornish became one of the first female electricians in the United States after participating in an affirmative action program? Source: interview
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Created by Mathieulalie (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 17:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC). FYI - this has been submitted to the GOCE for review. --evrik ^(talk) 17:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Fascinating biography. Article is more than long enough, new enough (nominated within one day of being moved into main space), copyvio unlikely per Earwig. QPQ is done. Several issues that jump out at the moment: 1) The actual text of the hook doesn't actually appear anywhere in the actual article besides the lede, where it doesn't cite a specific source, so this needs to be addressed somehow. (At minimum, cite a source in the lede, and/or expand on the "one of the first" claim within the article body, citing a specific source.) 2) The source cited above (within the DYK nomination) is a YouTube interview with the subject, so it's a primary source, although the text within the YouTube video description by the Seattle Civil Rights and Labor History Project does say she "subsequently became one of the first female electrical utility workers anywhere in the United States." It would be preferable if this citation were clearer (that you are citing the Seattle Civil Rights and Labor History Project rather than Megan Cornish herself, perhaps by pointing to their web site or including the relevant text within the footnote or endnote); even better if there are additional secondary sources to back up the claim. 3) There are several paragraphs within the article that end with no citations. Perhaps the implication is that the relevant source is contained within the subsequent paragraph, but this is Wikipedia and the risk is high that text will get moved around in unexpected ways, and it would be better to have a footnote at the end of every paragraph, rather than leaving it looking like uncited content. 4) In general, the article relies heavily on primary sources (video interviews with the subject herself). I would strongly advise taking another pass through the article and trying to see where you can work in more content (facts and/or analysis) from secondary sources to balance it out, as this is likely to raise flags. It may also make it easier to trim the article a bit and make it sound a bit more encyclopedic. A few adjustments along these lines could make a big difference. Cielquiparle (talk) 02:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik: I'm just checking in with some older noms – apart from the GOCE request (which can take some time), were the other issues pointed out above fixed already? --LordPeterII (talk) 13:28, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @Cielquiparle: the fact in the hook, and cited in the hook is found here, "In 1974, Cornish was persuaded by Clara Fraser, a cofounder of Radical Women and education coordinator at Seattle City Light, to apply for a position as an Electrical Trades Trainee (ETT), an all-female affirmative action program designed by Fraser to integrate women into the electrical trades." @LordPeterII: , I was waiting for the GOCE coy edit before finishing the clean-up. --evrik ^(talk) 14:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @Evrik: We need to be extra careful when making "one of the first" claims, especially if it's in the hook on the main page. The sentence you are pointing to doesn't actually say she was one of the first female electricians in the entire United States. Cielquiparle (talk) 02:36, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems very unlikely to be true. Weren't there many women working in factories etc during World War Two, quite apart from women who may have worked as electricians elsewhere and at other times? Philafrenzy (talk) 09:00, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AviationFreak: complted the copy-edit. @Cielquiparle: Please move forward with this review. Thanks. --evrik ^(talk) 00:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Article is not approved for DYK. Unfortunately, it remains poorly sourced, relying mainly on a primary source (series of YouTube interviews with the subject), with several paragraphs lacking footnotes at the end. Hook is also unusable as is, making a dubious, general, and rather strong claim ("one of the first female electricians in the United States") with insufficient references to back it up. (Not seeing the logic that being part of an affirmative action program at Seattle City Light means that she was one of the first female electricians in the entire country. Electrical utility worker, maybe. But we would need better sourcing for that as mentioned previously.) Unless someone steps up to help rework this article extensively and address the sourcing issues (including doing additional research, incorporating secondary sources, and fact checking), I don't think there is a way to save this. (I guess GOCE mainly focuses on copyediting, which is brilliant, but this article has bigger problems.) Cielquiparle (talk) 07:01, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]