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We've got a disagreement over "The Nicoll Highway collapse occurred" vs. "The Nicoll Highway collapsed". Thoughts? PInging Dying and Ravenpuff. - Dank (push to talk) 12:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For TFA purposes, I would favour the concision of the latter. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with HJ. Z1720 (talk) 12:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Nicoll Highway collapsed in Singapore on 20 April 2004... wouldn't work: it's only in Singapore, so where else would it collapse? Also, its name is duplicated a few words on, so some more adjustment is needed. I suggest: The Nicoll Highway in Singapore collapsed on 20 April 2004 when a Mass Rapid Transit tunnel construction site caved in, crumpling the highway near the Merdeka Bridge. Bazza 7 (talk) 13:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For my part, I thought that it would be preferable to use the article title verbatim, since it's possible to do so here and it would provide maximum WP:LINKCLARITY. If we use the second (verb) form, we shouldn't include "The" at the start to conform with the grammar in the rest of the blurb. I don't have strong feelings about which form we use, but (pace Bazza 7) I wouldn't restrict the bolded link to a single word, as I don't think that would give enough emphasis to the featured article and would be bad link clarity. Also, I seem to remember from editing TFA in the past that not putting the bolded link first might break something somewhere. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 13:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bazza, thanks for pointing out the redundancy of mentioning the highway's name twice in quick succession ... but there's a different fix available for that, we can just change the second Nicoll Highway to the highway (and I'll do that now). On the first point, we've been down this highway, so to speak. The first link has to be bolded and point to the featured article. For some highway TFAs, I've suggested things like "In Singapore, the Nicoll Highway collapsed ..." in the past to try to deal with the problem you're raising, and the vote was almost unanimously against me. I'll dig up the last discussion if you like, it was some Michigan interstate. I have no preference between "The Nicoll Highway collapsed" and "The Nicoll Highway in Singapore collapsed" (and I don't know the rule on whether to bold "The"). - Dank (push to talk) 13:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On Ravenpuff's point about "Nicoll Highway" vs. "the Nicoll Highway": the article is thoroughly inconsistent. It's a mess. - Dank (push to talk) 13:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• "... that Audrys Nin Reyes is the first gymnast from the Dominican Republic to qualify for the Olympic Games?"

@Riley1012, UndercoverClassicist, Lightburst, and Schwede66: Er, Yamilet Peña begs to differ. Fram (talk) 13:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to "first male gymnast" here and at the target article. This is supported by the panamsports source. "First" hooks are often iffy, so I wouldn't oppose pulling if there are more Olympic Dominicans hiding out there. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is correct @Firefangledfeathers: and thanks for finding the error @Fram: Lightburst (talk) 13:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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