• John Jones created the group Cytogenetics 2 weeks ago

  • Hi Matt, thanks for posting this. My company, LabLynx, is interested in what you have. We have been looking for a patient portal platform to integrate with. While we provide a physician portal for our clinical lab customers, we do not provide a patient portal and we have had to steer our clients to patient portal providers. We are not willing to bear the risks associated with consumer grade relationships like patients. We are always looking for patient data access solutions to steer our clients to and we are happy to integrate with.

  • John Jones posted a new activity comment 1 month, 1 week ago

    In reply to: John Jones posted an update in the group Laboratory Informatics & Automation
    Does anyone in the group use BPMN 2.0 to manage lab workflows? I am looking at a number of products for modeling workflows […]
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    Joe Liscouski, you may not know this but there is BPEL for People.  That is an interesting concept of applying automated controlled workflows to human processes: https://docs.oasis-open.org/bpel4people/bpel4people-1.1.html

    Also, you will want to look at these open source apps that would make up a complete solution suite for workflow automation.  You need of course the bpmn engine and designer, then you need the forms for human and automated data collection points in the flow and then you need the rules engine for the custom processes that are inevitably a part of the bpmn flow.  Finally, you need a flow based integration tool to pull in data from external systems and instruments.  So the tool set is as follows:
    1. https://camunda.com/ –  BPMN
    2. 
    https://www.form.io/  – Forms
    3.
    https://www.drools.org/  – Business Rules
    4. 
    https://nodered.org/ – Integration & Automation

    At LabLynx we package most of this to run through an IoT device when we do lab automation through our LabVia product.

  • Speaking as a LIMS software vendor, we would prefer that your instrument provide a REST based API. That is not typical for any instrument vendors because of how legacy most are but if you are starting from scratch, go REST based api. Other than that go with flat text files that can be easily parsed by the LIMS and then LIMS can put back a text file of your specified format. All the other stuff like animl, HL7, ASTM, etc. is really just noise and of little use to a host system like a LIMS/LIS/ELN.

  • Does anyone in the group use BPMN 2.0 to manage lab workflows?

    I am looking at a number of products for modeling workflows specific to different types of testing. I am wondering if we can build workflows and share them for Open Access use. Are there any LIMS/ELN/LES/SDMS that currently utilize BPMN to manage/execute workflows?

    #workflows #bpmn #lims

    Source: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6609545232793034753/

    • This is a link to the REST APIs and sample code: https://chalex.smartflo.biz/SmartFloAPI/index.html

    • CHALEX sells a DAM enabled BPM sandbox that imports an XPDL file. Currently that engine is BPMN 1 compliant. The rules engine supports a broad range of actions associated with conditional routing.  The drag & drop workflow modeller uses a swimlane metaphor.  Training is through interactive e-book.

    • Thanks Murray Oles, can you please post some links that could be of help?  Also, do you have any use cases you can share that apply to lab processes?

    • I am citing some of my contacts that may want to weigh in on this discussion:  Jeff Vannest John Newtown Joe Liscouski  Avrum Goodblatt Rich Lysakowski, Ph.D. Leon Kopelev  Shameek Ray, MS, TOGAF, PSM Herbert Schwarz

      I hope that some of you might have some first hand experience in applying BPMN to lab processes and describe what tools were used and how.

    • John, SmartFlo is a Sandbox, and as such it is designed to support any business process use case.  The workflows are expressed in XML format. The DAM supports the workflow by indexing assets with project / job & task metadata. The rules engine is highly configurable, so if you want to drive devices, query external systems, and make routing decisions based on analytics the rules engine doc explains how. https://chalex.smartflo.biz/3/?2i83
      CHALEX seeks OEM partners with specialized domain expertise and the desire to solve complex process management challenges through the application of BPM and DAM practices.  
      Murray

    • The LabVantage Workflow Manager supports both import and export from BPMN. This is useful when drafting workflows offline or in a format that’s portable outside the LIMS. There are advanced integrations that can only be done inside of LabVantage, of course.

    • That is excellent Jeff Vannest.  All LIMS products should do exactly the same.  I am hoping to put in an Open Access BPMN workflow repository into LiMSforum for folks to share workflow processes and then to provide a workflow engine such as Camunda to execute the flows along with Form.io for the data collection forms.  Eventually will add IoT resources with NodeRed so we can also have integration flows.  At LabLynx we use BPMN for workflows but the ones we have are pretty specific to each client.  

      We have many integration flows using NodeRed and are happy to share those to an Open Access repository.  One I know will be useful to most people will be the ASTM serial interface standard (deprecated but widely used).  We have a nice packaged set of interfaces for clinical instruments that use that standard.

      Can you share a small narrative on how you have used BPMN for lab workflows?

    • Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I did some reading last night and it looks like it should be really useful along with the BPEL (execution language).  Labs are full of processes, but one place it should work well is in Lab Execution Systems as a means fo prototyping the process before it is coded.

    • Joe Liscouski, you may not know this but there is BPEL for People.  That is an interesting concept of applying automated controlled workflows to human processes: https://docs.oasis-open.org/bpel4people/bpel4people-1.1.html

      Also, you will want to look at these open source apps that would make up a complete solution suite for workflow automation.  You need of course the bpmn engine and designer, then you need the forms for human and automated data collection points in the flow and then you need the rules engine for the custom processes that are inevitably a part of the bpmn flow.  Finally, you need a flow based integration tool to pull in data from external systems and instruments.  So the tool set is as follows:
      1. https://camunda.com/ –  BPMN
      2. 
      https://www.form.io/  – Forms
      3.
      https://www.drools.org/  – Business Rules
      4. 
      https://nodered.org/ – Integration & Automation

      At LabLynx we package most of this to run through an IoT device when we do lab automation through our LabVia product.

  • Jon, that is an excellent question and I think your observations about the organizations is spot on. The laboratory and scientific industry is very, very conservative and very focused. They are not swayed by tech innovations. The organizations are focused on the work they do and everything that does not directly deal with the work they do is a distraction. So when they need something they talk to their peers for guidance. So what does that mean for you? It means that if you are going to make Kolabtree successful, you will have a long hockey stick base or you will have to invest a lot upfront in order to build momentum. This industry changes very slowly and makes extensive use of peer recommendations. All of that being said, my company makes extensive use of freelancers all the time using Upwork. One suggestion is that your company offer traditional recruiting and staffing services along with freelancing. This is going a bit retro but you will have more short term success and as long as you use it as a technique to push the freelancer model and let the client choose what is best for them, I would think you would be successful. If you are VC or PE funded, try to get yourself some funds to acquire a scientific staffing company and build it into a NextGen scientific staffing firm.

  • John Jones posted a new activity comment 1 month, 1 week ago

    In reply to: John Jones posted an update in the group Laboratory Informatics & Automation
    Does anyone in the group use BPMN 2.0 to manage lab workflows? I am looking at a number of products for modeling workflows […]
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    That is excellent Jeff Vannest.  All LIMS products should do exactly the same.  I am hoping to put in an Open Access BPMN workflow repository into LiMSforum for folks to share workflow processes and then to provide a workflow engine such as Camunda to execute the flows along with Form.io for the data collection forms.  Eventually will add IoT resources with NodeRed so we can also have integration flows.  At LabLynx we use BPMN for workflows but the ones we have are pretty specific to each client.  

    We have many integration flows using NodeRed and are happy to share those to an Open Access repository.  One I know will be useful to most people will be the ASTM serial interface standard (deprecated but widely used).  We have a nice packaged set of interfaces for clinical instruments that use that standard.

    Can you share a small narrative on how you have used BPMN for lab workflows?

  • John Jones posted a new activity comment 1 month, 1 week ago

    In reply to: John Jones posted an update in the group Laboratory Informatics & Automation
    Does anyone in the group use BPMN 2.0 to manage lab workflows? I am looking at a number of products for modeling workflows […]
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    I am citing some of my contacts that may want to weigh in on this discussion:  Jeff Vannest John Newtown Joe Liscouski  Avrum Goodblatt Rich Lysakowski, Ph.D. Leon Kopelev  Shameek Ray, MS, TOGAF, PSM Herbert Schwarz

    I hope that some of you might have some first hand experience in applying BPMN to lab processes and describe what tools were used and how.

  • John Jones posted a new activity comment 1 month, 1 week ago

    In reply to: John Jones posted an update in the group Laboratory Informatics & Automation
    Does anyone in the group use BPMN 2.0 to manage lab workflows? I am looking at a number of products for modeling workflows […]
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    Thanks Murray Oles, can you please post some links that could be of help?  Also, do you have any use cases you can share that apply to lab processes?

  • Do you mean coldfire or CoalFire? I have not heard of coldfire in this context but Coalfire is a cybersecurity service and perhaps your client uses an Identity and Access Management service provided by CoalFire for access to all digital assets. You really just need to talk to the IT group of your client.

  • John Jones answered to the question “ELN Usage2 months ago

    Hi Denise, answers to your questions are variable depending on the ELN you look at. Here are general answers that fit most all ELN applications: 1. ELN Functions: https://www.limsforum.com/knowledge-base-wiki/?rdp_we_resource=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.limswiki.org%2Findex.php%2FELN_feature 2. ELN’s will typically handle both structured and unstructured data. I have found that an integration of ELN and LIMS make for a good use case of where the two types of data are mixed. 3. Yes, absolutely, you can upload excel files into an ELN and version control them. 4. Witness is part of the process typically in a regulated environment. This may also be part of your corporate policies regardless of regulations. This feature is pretty much a standard feature of all ELN applications but it will typically be configured on a case by case basis during implementation but the option should always be there.

  • Phil, thanks for posting this. The topic is very important and we have a good course hosted here on the LIMSforum that should be a great addition to what you have your white paper. Here is the course: https://www.limsforum.com/a-guide-for-management-successfully-applying-laboratory-systems-to-your-organizations-work-part-1/70596/ The courses are quite comprehensive.

  • John Jones answered to the question “BioRails Expert Needed3 months ago

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  • Nicolae,please elaborate on what you are looking for, why, what you expect from such a project and what do you consider innovative. What does each party get from such a collaboration?

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